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I posted a message - must be a few years back now regarding incidental music and in particular a piece that ran during the Hairdressing shop scene from series one. I've had no luck trying to track it down -does anyone know what this is please?
The soundtrack material is an interesting and constantly intriguing subject. It's been the source of much amusement for Simon Wells and I, as we have been on a quest - on and off - and in some detail at times, to locate and identify both the material composed by Raymond Jones and the other incidental music which was 'library' music, not specifically composed for the series (which is why it has that 'where have I heard this before' quality about it).
However, it seems as though the piece that you refer to is probably one of the following titles (all of which appear somewhere in the series I believe): “Monkey Business”, “The Spook”, “Sidewalk Stroll”, “Piffle and Pomp” and “Tyrol Waltz”.
They all appeared as 'Standard Music Library' recordings in the late 1960s-early '70s.
Just having a trawl through some old stuff here and found a definite answer to this query which I'm sure will interest many.
The piece of music on the radio in the hairdressing scene is actually called 'Day Trip' by Mike Vickers, from the Standard music library.
Best to all,
Good sleuthing brother!
Mike Vickers was probably the most creative of the group Manfred Mann during the 1960's. He did a few soundtracks around that time, notably, Norman Wisdom's "Press for Time", and "The Sandwich Man", both of which (musically) were very impressive.
I'll throw this over to the members, and if anyone has a copy of the Standard Music disc (and the number of the vinyl escapes me) both Paul and I would love to hear it. As you may know, series two of Catweazle utilised a lot of library music, most of it pretty dire as it happens. But it would be nice to have it. The disc was issued, among music industry circles, for a while, but its mighty impossible to find a copy these days. But I dare say it is somewhere.
As for Raymond Jones... One can only dream where his sublime music for Catweazle ended up...
love to all
To be precise the ones of interest to Catweazle fans are either Standard ESL115 (1970) and/or Standard ESL 120 - not sure which but I've been looking for both for a while.
I might regret opening my big mouth here as if I do come across them I've probably only just succeeded in bumping their price up!
Best to all,
I've been reading the items about the Catweazle incidental music with great interest - I have to agree that it ranges from the sublime to the dire! The catchiness of the themes in series one make them difficult to put out of one's mind, and some of them are also used in series two, but unfortunately series two also uses a lot of what I would term "silent movie"-type tunes which are more suited to slapstick films and certainly don't gel at all with the gentle humour we associate with the Catweazle series. On watching both series again, I particularly noticed that the lovely music used for the last episode of series one when Catweazle is gradually fading back into the lake is also used in the last series two episode when Catweazle has renounced magic and tries to send Touchwood away, and also while Cedric is rather wistfully wandering round Duck Halt after Catweazle has flown off in the big red balloon. I remember that when Geoffrey, Richard and Joy Whitby were admiring this music on the commentary for the final series one episode, it was thought that maybe it was something by Ravel or Vaughan Williams. As a musician I'm very familiar with both these composers, and it wasn't written by either of them, although I certainly noted a passing resemblance to one of Ravel's works at one point. I have always assumed it was selected from an existing music library as being a very suitable piece to illustrate that scene - and it certainly does illustrate it beautifully. Thanks for the research done on the music for the series - it's been fascinating to learn more, and I'd give my right arm to have it all on disc (although that would make violin playing somewhat difficult for me ...)
You've touched on something here!
I hope Paul Pert will add onto this, because it is a fascinating subject, and one we both share passionately. The original theme music for Catweazle was written by Ted Dicks. He was a noted tunesmith of the time, having written the music for the likes of Bernard Cribbins "Right Said Fred" and many other catchy tunes on film and TV. When I spoke to him a year or so ago, he confirmed he wrote the Catweazle theme under the title "Busy Boy", and that the only other piece he did for the series was the short burst that accompanies the advert breaks (or bumpers as they are known)
Now, the incidental music, including as you mentioned, the transcendental end pieces for both series, was written (or at least adapted) by one Raymond Jones. He has proved a major enigma to trace any details of, and although he wrote some of the early incidental pieces for "Doctor Who", very little is known about his other movements. Despite Paul and myself utilising every tool in our (considerable) research armoury, we can’t find any trace of him, or the tapes. We have a hunch they *may* be at Bucks Music library (his agent- and housing a big library), although we haven't had any concrete responses from them.
The "slapstick" music for series two, is easier to determine, and it is basically anything that doesn't (with one exception, I believe) appear in series one. It was obtained from the Standard Music Library, and was an easy way of having music bought into a show without having to commission (or record or write) it oneself (i.e. - cheap!) But I agree, it is all totally out of place in a series as special as Catweazle.
The good news regarding these pieces though, is that it was made available on vinyl records-albeit to industry sources, and they are out there somewhere! Although they tend to be very expensive, I dare say we'll turn up a copy soon, and can then make them available on CDr's for everyone.
Anyway, thanks Wendy for starting this off again. The search continues for Raymond Jones' music, and if anyone out there has a link into this enigma, we'd all be better for knowing it!
Ps: For those wanting to expand upon the theme of those final pieces- seek out a copy of Ravel's introduction and Allegro, where I'm sure the inspiration came from. I can't check this out now, but there's a youtube link here which may have it ...Otherwise do seek out a copy.
It's very special, and conjures up the mood of the series perfectly. It made me smile when Richard C. Mentioned Ravel on the commentaries.
Thanks for that Simon - a CD of the elusive Raymond Jones' music coupled with all the other spirit-lifting catchy little tunes would be a wonderful addition to our Catweazle memorabilia. With regard to Ravel, the work I was specifically thinking of was his captivating "Mother Goose" suite - if you listen to the wistful little theme representing Tom Thumb wandering in the forest, I think you'll hear a distinct similarity to the end theme of the series. The quest goes on!
Just had another thought regarding Ted Dicks's CW theme tune - some years ago I bought a CD called "Cult TV Themes" - publication date 1998 - on the Emporio label, disc no. EMPRCD 783. It contains a good selection of theme tunes including The Avengers, Thunderbirds, Star Trek, etc., but most important of all ... need I spell it out? All the titles are performed by The London Theatre Orchestra, and they do a pretty good version of our beloved Catweazle theme. The disc is probably long since deleted, but there's a website address, www.vci.co.uk and a postal address for the music publisher, Music Collection International Ltd., 76 Dean Street, London, W1V 5HA. Might be worth a try for anyone who'd like a copy. I'll have a look on the site myself just out of interest!
Here we are again! I woke up early this morning with Ravel's "Mother Goose" music going through my head, and realise that it is not actually the "Tom Thumb" melody which I should have referred to, but the "Sleeping Beauty" theme which occurs fairly early on in the suite (entitled "Pavane de la Belle au bois dormant"). There are various orchestrated versions of this work, originally written for piano, some with link passages between the various sections and others which leave them out, but the whole suite is totally magical and I think anyone would do well to go out and buy a copy. I have two or three versions of it, but the best one in my opinion is by the Montreal Symphony Orchestra conducted by Charles Dutoit - this one uses all the link passages and is an absolute delight.
Sorry Simon - I forgot to mention that I think Ravel's "Introduction and Allegro" could also well have been in the composer's mind when the ending theme for the final episodes was written - I didn't mean to "diss" your opinion in favour of mine! Ravel has always been one of my very favourite composers who could write the most delicate of themes in contrast to his more flamboyant works, and Richard probably wasn't far off the mark when he mentioned him as the possible composer of the theme!
Aah yes I'm here! Sorry haven't checked the forum for a few days - typical as soon as my back's turned...
Anyway hi Si and Wendy - and yes Ravel is beautiful stuff. Unbeknown to us in one of our parallel aspects, Simon and I had both long admired 'Introduction and Allegro' for its Catweazle properties but were mutually unaware of this until it came up in conversation one day; it's the harp factor more than anything that does it for me in that piece I think.
All of the classical pieces were written/performed by Raymond Jones especially for the show I believe. If you listen to the piece written for the charming lake scene in 'The Eye of Time' it's actually a variation of 'Busy Boy'.
At the last attempt I made to trace the enigma that is Raymond Jones, I was told by an old associate that I would "have to see a medium specialising in the afterlife" although he could not confirm that Jones was in fact deceased, he recalled that when he was in his thirties he would get through ten cigarettes per hourly lesson when he was teaching at the Guildhall and if still around he would now be about 86 - so seems unlikely (though possible if he ever managed kick the habit!).
Anyway the search goes on. On the library music front there is also actually a mega rare CD produced since the seventies with most of the library tracks on it (though not the same selection of tracks as on the vinyl I recently discovered). I agree that for me they are more associated with the more uncharacteristically Catweazle moments, but it would be nice to have them all the same.
Nice thread this.
Best wishes to you both,
Glad you mentioned the music for the lake scene in the "Eye of Time" episode - I always thought it was a really lovely variation on the Catweazle theme, played in a leisurely 6/8 time - almost like a lullaby! All the music used throughout the first series is an absolute joy - much better than some of the rubbish that is served up to accompany many of today's TV series.
What a fantastic time we all had this year - it seems a long time to Hexwood 2009, but it's really nice to keep the "Catweazle ethos" going by keeping in touch with each other on the forum pages and watching our beloved programme when we need a "Catweazle fix".
All the best to one and all - Salmay, Dalmay, Adonay!
Still thinking about weazlemusic - there's an episode (or episodes?) where the Catweazle theme is whistled - I don't generally like whistled tunes much but I make an exception in this case because it perfectly suits the jauntiness of the theme. Wonder who does the whistling?
In another train of thought entirely, something I would love to get my hands on is a copy of the original TV Times which was issued when the first series was due to start - I remember it had a picture of Geoffrey as Catweazle on the front, and something about the series inside - I can't remember if there was an interview with Geoffrey, but I don't think so. Has anyone ever come across this on Ebay or anywhere else, and how would you rate the chances of getting hold of a copy? (Nil, in all probability!!)
I've never got involved with Ebay and prefer not to, but I'd pay good money if anyone could get hold of it for me!
Merry meet, merry part, brothers and sisters in magic.
Firstly, I too have always been haunted by that little whistled ditty - so much so that over the years that Catweazle was unavailable in any format, I somehow convinced myself that it featured more heavily in the series - particularly series 2. So convinced was I that when I eventually saw the final episode again, I was convinced that it had been edited. Unfortunately, all my research has so far pointed towards it happening in my mind as opposed to the cutting room.
Secondly: never got involved with ebay? Well all I can say is that although dreams may come true, real happiness arrives with the postman.
For years the only option for people who had a passion for classic entertainment no longer broadcast - and unavailable in any commercial format - was to scour auction rooms, markets and fairs all over the country in order to find original film prints, ephemera and merchandise which would put them in touch in some way - large or small - with their particular televisual or cinematic pleasures once more. I speak from experience on this and I am indeed very fortunate in that my work and pleasure frequently crossover. Ebay is a box of delights for anyone with a passion for TV or film. Years ago if I wanted to look through a pile of old magazines at a fair or auction (say for example TV Times!) it could take me an hour and a bad back just to find out that there was nothing I wanted. With ebay I can tell in a few seconds whether anyone in the world has what I'm looking for at any particular time - it's heaven if you know how to use it to its best advantage. I have to say though, that with Catweazle material, it's always seemed to find ME!
Not sure if you've done this yet but have you looked at the PDF files on the series 2 disc? There's much original printed material on there.
TV Times with Geoffrey on the front? Could it possibly be that your recollection is actually connected with a different magazine? I'd love to think that Catweazle made it to the front of TV Times but I'm pretty sure it didn't. Simon? You ever see this one at the BFI library? Could be a regional magazine? Where did you live in 1970 Wendy? You're not thinking of the 'Junior' TV Times are you? He made it to the cover of that once in '71 and once in '72.
Another interesting posting Wendy!
Well - I'm glad I'm not the only incidentaly musically obsessed individual here!
Firstly - thanks to all contributors , particularly Simon Wells, Pert and Sue Deuce for their information and support.
I managed to track down ESL120 and what a wonderful slab of vinyl it is!
Sadly for me, the track that set up my particular ear worm (DAY TRIP - Mike Vickers) all those years ago wasn't on this lp - but I managed to track that down elsewhere - although only as a stand alone track not from an original lp. If anyone knows what matrix number Day Trip is from ESL? - I'd be glad to hear from them. I also have heard that some of the music we are interested in was released on a Standard Music Library CD ESL001 - but I have not yet managed to catch sight of this.
I'm more than happy to make avaliable what I have on CDR to anyone interested.
As I live in Tasmania perhaps someone would like to volunteer in the UK and I can mail the CDR to them from where it can be made more easily avaliable?
Tracks I have are :
From the LP (not all Catweazle related)
Counting The Coster
Piffle And Pomp
The Loner 1
The Loner 2
The Eyes Of Love
For A Lost Friend
From The Heart
Stand Alone Tracks: Tyrol Waltz/Day Trip.
The version of Busy Boy from the lp is fantastically detailed - you can't hear half of whats going on on the DVD's.Theres all sorts of horns? and woodwind? and stuff going on behind the main piece.
Once again , many thanks to all those who have helped. It would be good if we could nail all the music and put it on a cdr for members.
Hi all - just come across David's post and the interesting follow ups, after having rediscovered Catweazle after all these years. I too am being driven mad trying to remember where else I've heard some of the instrumental music. The hairdressers music in Series one is repeated in series 2 ep 2 - Duck Halt. This one is particulary maddening. Thanks to the follow up post I now know what it is but am sure it was a theme tune for another series at around the same time! Can anyone help with that.
Also,Series 2 , Ep 3 - The heavenly twins - does anyone think the the music played when "Vandanti" chases Catweazle during the Magic Show, sound very much like the "On the Buses" theme?
BTW Just got my Series 1 and 2 box set from Tesco.com for a tenner, delivered. Pretty good value.
The Standard Music library evidently did brisk business in the early 1970. The disc that has the Catweazle music also has three versions of the "Budgie" theme on it!
I am pretty sure ( although not certain) that the piece of music 'Day Trip' which was used in the hairdresser scene and in series 2, was also used in the film version of 'Please Sir'and maybe the 'Man about the House' series.
I have not been able to find the time to actually check this out for certain yet though. Hopefully between us all someone can come up with the answer
Glad to see the threads still running.
I managed to track down a copy of the CD "Cult Comedy Classics" which has same Catweazle related tunes as the LP. I too have a feeling that Day Trip was used as a Theme Tune to another program - was it something like "Good Afternoon" ? Or a travel program maybe? Amazing to think that a lot of this music was "off the shelf" stuff not especially written for the series - hard to imagine the Catweazle theme tune as anything else.
Thanks for that Sue. Will try to do a little more research myself but think you may be right!!
It's lovely this thread continuing.
With all the love that is evident for the music, and the hapless task we're having locating Raymond Jones' music for series one, I'm going to throw a challenge out to the fan club.
Actually, Paul Pert and I have been talking about this for ages, but with our respective busy schedules, it hasn't come to pass.
However, if there is anyone out there who'd like to sit through both series and combine a list of the music, we may have something.
Both Paul and I believe there is enough "clean" pieces of incidental music-i.e. free of dialogue and other effects, to be able to capture for a possible release. By identifying these pieces, we can isolate them from the soundtrack and build up a modest, yet important catalogue of the soundtrack music.
Taking this a step further, the various releases around the world may through up some small, but significant pieces of music that have escaped the dubbing process.
It's quite a nice project, and if it comes to some sort of fruition, would promote this important side of Catweazle.
Any help you may need, you've only to contact myself or Paul, who I’m sure would be happy to get involved with this.
Unfortunately, I have no technical wizardry, but if there is someone out there who can play around with sound and erase bits here and there, it could be start of something quite wonderful,
I was thinking about going through each episode and logging each piece of music by Chapter?
Some of the pieces I know - some I guess I will not - but can just mark them as "unknown" together with chapter no. and maybe a brief description of the scene playing behind it?
If anyone has a more scientific route to cataloguing the music please let me know - otherwise . I'll have a crack and post the findings here for the first episode and then maybe w'll see if we can refine the whole process
I have a simple audio capture software which I may be able to play with - not sure whether it will do the job but will have a go and let you know.
Its me again !
I just had a bash at extracting the main theme title music (everything plus the kitchen sink version) + the alt version from the dvd front screen which just has a double "mouth pop" at the end - sucessfully.
I'll let you know how I get on with the cataloguing and further "extracting".
OK - I appear to have the technology - from Series 1 Episode 8 part 1 I have extracted 11 pieces of music including the DVD front screen - Main title opener and Ad breaks. Before I go on - can we agree a listing system? I have :
Episode No./ Episode Title /Chapter No./ Chapter Title /start Time/finish time so it looks like this :
8 Power of Adamcos C1 Lost in Time 0147 0214
8 Power Of Adamcos C1 Lost In Time 0307 0322
8 Power Of Adamcods C1 Lost In Time 0405 0413 etc :
Obviously some pieces have dialogue/ noise over them but hopefully we should be able to find "clean" pieces over the whole series.I may need help at some point as there seems to be a good deal of splicing together different bits so one piece although the same piece is slightly different as it has something tacked onto the begining and or the end -(i'm confusing myself!).
I found it somewhat beyond me to come up with a title for each piece - one mans "Jaunty March Theme" is I guess another mans "Sombre Stroll Through Woods"?!
Perhaps once we have everything down a muso amongst us can try their hand ?
Let me know if we are all ok with the listing method before I attempt part 2.
be good ,
p.s - sound quality is as per DVD not cd quality.
Blimey! I go abroad for a while and it all happens when my back's turned.
Firstly, David I shall be e-mailing you separately in due course but for now let me say a simple thank you (you know what for). Simon: some stuff on its way to you ASAP.
I think Simon is right about sharing information. We had the details of the library tracks and their respective catalogue numbers for years but it wasn't until the opportunity came up to share the info with David that they finally came to light.
Simon and I have also discussed the potential of the foreign DVDs in this respect as dialogue does not always encroach on soundtrack in the same places. I have been meaning to sit down and go through those properly but never get the time (and it takes some considerable time too - nice job though). I have both the German and Dutch versions here. Thinking about it, the German discs have language tracks of both English and German so technically the soundtracks exist separately somewhere as the actual film prints are the same whichever language one chooses.
I'll give it a go if I can find the time.
David are you using Nero?
Bye for now,
Dear Paul and all,
I have so far managed 3 episodes 8 9 and 12 from series 1. Theres very little clean stuff so far - off the top of my head I can count 3 clean pieces and when I say clean - I mean they have no dialogue / sound effects interfering with them but they all have "air" flying around - a bit like when you used to record on an old portable cassette machine.
I am using Nero which is good in so far as I can log the time in the first instance and when logged I can then go back and extract.Episodes 8 & 9 averaged around the 23 mark for individual pieces - episode 12 only around 14 or so. Obviously a lot of it is repeated - but I'm thinking we need to track all of it in the first instance otherwise if you become selective , you may miss a piece that sounds similar but is in fact slightly different.
Hopefully it will be of some use to us in our further quest. Its all a bit intense - I found myself wondering what the 78 might be that was played in The Demi Devil!
Interesting point re the different language editions -I am using the UK one but I guess I should check out an Aus release.
Aus release is exactly the same in every way (obviously English language and licensed by Network to 'Shock DVD'- just different packaging).
Thinking about it, presently the only foreign language version that might prove fruitful is the German edition as the Netherlands version is simply the English dialogue track with Dutch subtitles.
Good fun this. Thanks for your work on this David.
Hi all...just catching up on my e mails after a second bout of cancer....anyway, I read with great interest David Kents note on incidental music...
I would very much like a copy of the disc you mentioned..of course I will pay for the postage etc costs involved...
I am hoping also to attend Hexwood this year with my partner and a good friend who has fond memories (along with all of us) of Catweazle....
Anyway hope you can healp supply a copy..
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