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Re: Creationists - a question!


Lets see ... whom to believe ... scientists who were NOT there at the time ... or God who was!



I'll take that reliable eye witness account. As God says in His 'creation account'He created all the living things 'after their kind.' True, selective breeding will form variations of "that kind" but NEVER .. I repeat NEVER a change from one species to another.



Laurie, neither YOU nor a single one of your scientists can produce evidence to document a single such complete transition. There is especially not enough real evidence - nor even enough realistic conjecture to justify not believing what God said.



The DAYS of creation are just that ... days. And it certainly wasn't required that God take that long as He could have done it instantly. God created Adam a full grown man - not a baby. If a scientist were to examine Adam on his first day of life they would claim he was 2-3 decades old and not a just a one-day-old. They would say that God is a liar and that anyone who didn't believe their "science" was an idiot. But they are the liars and the fools. Why would they make this mistake? Because they have incomplete knowledge and THEY WERE NOT THERE! But God left a testimony through the writings of His servant Moses that tell the truth of creation. Man should take God's truth over man's theories anyday. Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



Laurie, you chide Christians because you think they have little evidence for their belief and you think them simple-minded. But the belief-system that you have chosen has an imperfect and even less credible witness. It requires more faith to believe a made up story by imperfect men who change their stories back & forth over the years than to believe in the creator God who was there and is faithful and true.



And He is the only one who can save you from certain eternal death. What have you got to lose in believing God, my friend?

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The first fossils are dated from about 3,500 millions of years ago. Since then there have been thousands upon thousands of life forms on the planet - most of which have become extinct.



Creationists say that God created SPECIES and that there is no evolution which changes one species into another. Does that mean then that between 3,500 million years and the present God has been creating new species every so often? So, for example, in the Jurassic Age millions of years after the first life had been created, God suddenly decided to create a lot of dinosaurs and 'Zap' they appeared out of nowhere and started to interact with other animals?



If the reply is that Genesis indeed says that God created different animals on different days i.e. not all at once, and that 'day' means a period of time, then that runs into the problem that the order in Genesis seems wrong. God creates fish and birds on day 5 [Genesis Chp 1 v 20 ] and then creates land animals on day 6 [v24] which goes against the fossil record which has land animals appearing well before birds.



What do Creationists think of these problems?



Best wishes



Laurie

Email: TruthOnWeb@aol.com

But the answer to my question...


is that you do reject all the evidence from science that the earth is millions of years old and that different animals were around at different times.



So not only do you claim that biologists are wrong about evolution you ALSO claim that geologists are wrong when they tell us about the age of the earth. On this thread I am just trying to get this point clear.



In one respect I agree with you. IF there is an omniscient God and IF we can know what he says then this would be a more secure source of knowledge than science. But I have grave doubts on all of these matters.

a] The evidence for God's existence seems poor.

b] The evidence that the Bible is his inerrant word seems even worse. Even if it was...

c] Different lots of 'bible' Christians give differing interpretations of what it says. So I would still not be sure that I had got God's words aright.



Best Wishes



Laurie

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Replying to:


Lets see ... whom to believe ... scientists who were NOT there at the time ... or God who was!



I'll take that reliable eye witness account. As God says in His 'creation account'He created all the living things 'after their kind.' True, selective breeding will form variations of "that kind" but NEVER .. I repeat NEVER a change from one species to another.



Laurie, neither YOU nor a single one of your scientists can produce evidence to document a single such complete transition. There is especially not enough real evidence - nor even enough realistic conjecture to justify not believing what God said.



The DAYS of creation are just that ... days. And it certainly wasn't required that God take that long as He could have done it instantly. God created Adam a full grown man - not a baby. If a scientist were to examine Adam on his first day of life they would claim he was 2-3 decades old and not a just a one-day-old. They would say that God is a liar and that anyone who didn't believe their "science" was an idiot. But they are the liars and the fools. Why would they make this mistake? Because they have incomplete knowledge and THEY WERE NOT THERE! But God left a testimony through the writings of His servant Moses that tell the truth of creation. Man should take God's truth over man's theories anyday. Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.



Laurie, you chide Christians because you think they have little evidence for their belief and you think them simple-minded. But the belief-system that you have chosen has an imperfect and even less credible witness. It requires more faith to believe a made up story by imperfect men who change their stories back & forth over the years than to believe in the creator God who was there and is faithful and true.



And He is the only one who can save you from certain eternal death. What have you got to lose in believing God, my friend?

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Replying to:

The first fossils are dated from about 3,500 millions of years ago. Since then there have been thousands upon thousands of life forms on the planet - most of which have become extinct.



Creationists say that God created SPECIES and that there is no evolution which changes one species into another. Does that mean then that between 3,500 million years and the present God has been creating new species every so often? So, for example, in the Jurassic Age millions of years after the first life had been created, God suddenly decided to create a lot of dinosaurs and 'Zap' they appeared out of nowhere and started to interact with other animals?



If the reply is that Genesis indeed says that God created different animals on different days i.e. not all at once, and that 'day' means a period of time, then that runs into the problem that the order in Genesis seems wrong. God creates fish and birds on day 5 [Genesis Chp 1 v 20 ] and then creates land animals on day 6 [v24] which goes against the fossil record which has land animals appearing well before birds.



What do Creationists think of these problems?



Best wishes



Laurie

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