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Re: Harmonising

Harmonizing is easy if you do not rebell against God's word. It is hard for you to kick against the goads.

Where do you find polygamy COMMANDED in the bible? I tell you just because God allows you to do something does NOT mean he sanctioned it.

Polygamy is illegal in the US. God places all rulers into power and tell us to be subject to them as long as their laws do not directly conflict with God's own laws. If you lived in a country where polygamy was accepted and you think you can provide for multiple wives and all their needs and still serve God then have at it if your conscience allows.

You cannot understand God because you will not subject yourself to Him or His word. Nor do I believe you are trying to do so.

Lets read the verse you mention about a brother dying and you taking her to wife: Deuteronomy 25:5-6 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her. And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

If you live with your brother (any near kin)and he dies then you should raise up a child in his name so his inheritance and birthright can be passed along. If you live with your brother you more than likely were not already married so again your premise is faulty yielding faulty conclusions.

If you really want to know God you need to begin with fear of Him and then repentance. You cannot learn the ways of God if you are placing forth your own doctrine instead of adhering to His.

Do you know ANY farmer who plants a field with mixed seeds? NO! They plant a field of wheat next to a field of barley and an orchard of apples next to an orchard of apricots. Where did that begin? The Word of God instructed men that this was good. Here is a quote to help you understand from the JFB Bible Commentary: This also was directed against an idolatrous practice, namely, that of the ancient Zabians, or fire-worshippers, who sowed different seeds, accompanying the act with magical rites and invocations; and commentators have generally thought the design of this and the preceding law was to put an end to the unnatural lusts and foolish superstitions which were prevalent among the heathen. But the reason of the prohibition was probably deeper: for those who have studied the diseases of land and vegetables tell us, that the practice of mingling seeds is injurious both to flowers and to grains. "If the various genera of the natural order Gramineæ, which includes the grains and the grasses, should be sown in the same field, and flower at the same time, so that the pollen of the two flowers mix, a spurious seed will be the consequence, called by the farmers chess. It is always inferior and unlike either of the two grains that produced it, in size, flavor, and nutritious principles. Independently of contributing to disease the soil, they never fail to produce the same in animals and men that feed on them" [WHITLAW].

I do care care to debate you as you have a carnal mind (no offense meant - just stating facts without judgement to condemnation)Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

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Sophistries

Your points do not wash Ken. Let me take them one at a time.

1. Polygamy.
Many OT figures who were in close contact with God had more than one wife. God could have told them it was wrong. He did not apparently. The OT therefore clearly allows it.

I may be incorrect here but was there not an OT figure who already had a wife and God told him to take another? Your OT knowledge beats mine so you can tell me here.

In any case polygamy is plain wrong and we all know it and you are making a bad case worse by pretending that somehow the OT does not give it the thumbs up.

2. Marrying your brother's wife.
OK the text refers to the you living with your brother and, if so, you might be unmarried. BUT suppose you were living with your brother and you happened to be married [large house perhaps]. Or suppose you were single but your brother's widow did not love you enough to marry. Do you say in these circumstances that it is God's will that you marry her and it would be sinful not to? You MUST if you believe the Bible.

Please tell me then, would it or would it not be sinful? No evasions please.
[PS I bet though that you do avoid this question in some way]

3.Seeds in a field
Farmers who sow different seeds in the same field may be poor farmers but are they realy sinful? And farmers do some times plant different crops in the same field. Some flowers planted next to carrots draws harmful insects away from the carrots I'm told. These farmers are sinful? Orchards contain different types of tree quite often. Is that sinful?

I may have a carnal mind Ken but it can see that the reasons you gave did not answer my points but just pointed out occasions when the rules might be OK. But you ought to believe that they always apply.

Best wishes

Laurie

Email: mgt.harris@btinternet.com

Re: Sophistries

Look Laurie,

The kingdom of God is not found in debate. Either repent and believe the gospel or follow your own ways and ideas and perish. The choice is yours.

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That sounds like...

I have lost the argument?

Instead of answering the points I make, you say that you cannot or will not discuss. But you ONLY say this AFTER you HAVE ALREADY argued with me for a few posts and then found yourself in a tight corner?

Best wishes

Laurie

Email: mgt.harris@btinternet.com

Re: That sounds like...

Laurie, you have posted on my board for quite along time ... and never ... I repeat NEVER have I felt YOU or your blasphemous doctrine 'back me into a corner'. I consider time spent answering you to be casting pearl to swine and therefore I keep it brief and only interject when the spirit so moves me. Those exceptions in which I do post are usually for the benefits of others on the board that may be lurking so they know and can tell from whence you come.

I repeat myself: The kingdom of God cannot be found by debate. It manifests itself in changed lives and unshakeable faith. Oh, there are tares which look like wheat growing alongside the good plant -pretending to be Christian ... but as Jesus said "By their fruits you will know them."

Don't you have somthing better to do with your time? Or does the devil have you in his grips and commands you to attack the true faith? Just why DO you spend so much time here?

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Fair point and answer

Yes my last point was a cheap shot. It is kind of you to talk to an old reprobate like me.

I just meant that there seems to be two alternatives - discuss with me OR say I have a carnal and mind so there is no point. But to discuss and then stop saying 'there is no point' just when things are getting interesting...

As to my motivation I believe I have answered this below.

Laurie

Email: mgt.harris@btinternet.com

Thank You Ken

I do not feel quite so alone now. A long time ago I told this man that I would not respond to him any more. I knew his spirit and it was not one of "questioning", but it was one of intellectual gymnastics.

Good call.

Ron Harvey

Email: rsnm10@hotmail.com

Re: Thank You Ken

Ron you may think you know a lot about the Bible. You may think you know the mind of God. You may think you know who is going to Hell. You obviously think you know a lot of things!

However you have a confounded cheek to come on the internet and proclaim that you know my motivation. Not even you knows the inside of my mind and I'll trouble you to keep your speculations to ourself please.

However here is a very simple point.

A person can enjoy an interesting discussion AND have a sincere desire for truth.

The first does not exclude the second.

Best wishes

Laurie


PS If I was given to speculating about your motives I would say that you will not discuss with me because you cannot answer my questions!

Email: mgt.harris@btinternet.com

Re: Re: Thank You Ken

Questioner,
Please don't make the assumption that this guy "Ron" is an example of a true Christian. He is not. He is a poor excuse of a person who has some serious mental problems that he really needs to find professional help for.

True christians do not lie and are definitely not psychic making the claim that they can read minds. They cannot. However, christians do allow their heart to be their primary motivator.

Deist

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