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Twyla White-Feather

Feb 27, 08 - 8:44 PM

Information about Amylee please!

I am European Radical Lesbian/Feminist and I am struggling with issues of white privilege and white supremacy. I just came across your website and I am glad to see that you are uncovering "Nuage swindlers." Since I came to the States in the early 1990s I have attended the Michigan Womyn's music festival several times. I have always been fascinated by Native spirituality and environmental teachings, but I don’t know how to sort out all the arguments I’m hearing regarding cultural appropriation of Native spiritual practices.

I was a little surprised to see Amylee listed on your "Wall of Shame" I met her at the Music Festival and believed she was genuine from the passion that her supporters felt for her. Looking back, I realize that none of her supporters appeared to be Native. (Ethnically) You claim that she is running a Lynn Andrews "Sisterhood of the Shields" scam and that she "runs a fake non-profit nature preserve in Ohio". I don’t mean to be culturally insensitive or rude, but what proof do you have of these allegations? Also, why would the festival organizers invite her back year after year to present workshops if she were not genuine?

Sometimes you quote these women and don’t elaborate on why you find their words so offensive and in genuine. It’s difficult for an outsider to get your inside jokes.

In the last workshop Amylee conducted she stated that she’s done a lot of reading and thinking about cultural appropriation and that she was given permission by tribal elders to teach non-Native women. She seemed to be sincere. Since I know so little about your culture, I need more information to make an informed decision about this woman.

I will listen respectfully to anything you have to say.

ojibwejustice

Mar 19th, 2008 - 7:13 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Hi. You are right. AmyLee does NOT belong on any shame site. She is genuine and the rumors began with a couple women at Michigan Fest, who were later kicked out of the fest (nothing to do with their hate-spree against amyLee, just due to thier racism and (self)hatred in general). I just roll my eyes when people say amyLee copied lynn Andrews! HA! It was probably the other way around since Andrews seems to have borrowed alot from some Elders amyLee used to serve AND amyLee's teachings PRE-date Andrews by a decade! Anybody even stop to think maybe AmyLee was being copied and misquoted? Wouldn't exactly be the first time that happened to an Indian...

. Sounds like you are asking the right questions. Maybe asking the wrong people though, when it comes to facts about people like amyLee. Any Elder will tell us to be careful shaking a finger of blame at ANYONE else - eventually people catch on to the skeletons in the 'shakers' shadows which are usually a lot worst than anything they are making up about,or are afraid of in, the people they put down. Somewhere there's a book amyLee wrote all about cultural appropriation and racism - and I think it was published in the 1970s! if anybody finds it, we sure would like to read it again too. Keep using your own good sense.It's a crazy time in Indian land - lotsa inhouse racism as we keep trying to make peace with all that has happened to us.

NDN Lawyer

Mar 20th, 2008 - 10:24 AM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Twyla WhiteFeather is a respected Ojibwe name. Now I am the one confused. You say you are European? O well.

Whoever you are, you have a good head on your shoulders to question things. Any criticism always tells you way more about the critic than the object or subject of their criticism. Twyla, we can't get through this life without offending somebody - remember, chocolate is sacred to some tribes! I don't plan on giving it up if it MIGHT offend some MEMBER of a South american tribe, especially when some SA tribes are selling it to us! Just do your best, Creator understands all that we don't, and all that we think we might have figured out. Rule of thumb - if somebody says OUCH you are stepping on my foot! Then stop, look it over and apologize for any pain caused and then make up your own mind. Sometimes we over step our bounds. Sometimes there are people who go out of their way to trip us, so they can blame us for stepping on their toes where their toes had no business in the first place.

You are only responsible for your own, where they take you and how you use them.

(this was supposed to be a big toe's up, but they only had a thumb's up)

Rose

Apr 9th, 2008 - 9:32 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

I contacted every tribal leader of the Seneca and Mohawk Nation, and they all bascially said, she's offensive to them and they don't consider her to be a medicine woman or a representative of their spiritual beliefs. This is what Chief Paul Spicer had to say. He gave me permission to post his thoughts.

Ms. Garcia,

The person described in your email is not a member of the Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma and I doubt seriously if she is a member of any Iroquois tribe. It is completely contrary to our ways to accept any form of payment for traditional medicine or prayer. I am wolf clan by birth (the only way you become a member of a clan) and highly offended that someone could claim to initiate anyone into one of our clans, ESPECIALLY if they were to charge for such a thing. The practices you describe her performing are laughable and come no where near our traditional ceremonies. I would advise anyone to steer clear of this obvious charlatan.

Paul Spicer, Chief
Seneca-Cayuga Tribe of Oklahoma

There's a thread I started about her on NAFPS bulletin board that details her ridiculous activities

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1509.0

and REAL NDNZ make fun of her on this board:

http://forum.americanindiantribe.com/viewtopic.php?t=6077&start=0

There seems to be no doubt now that this woman is a fraud and you should have nothing to do with her or her students.

Webmistress

Apr 9th, 2008 - 10:28 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

The person posting as NDN Lawyer and as ojibwejustice was posting from the SAME IP address and has been banned from this forum for displaying and appalling lack of integrity.

Rose

Apr 10th, 2008 - 8:47 AM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Twyla,

All the information you need to discover if Amylee is a fraud or not can be found by consulting the gray matter between your ears.

Read this post and seriously think about whether a legitimate "Iroquois elder" would be doing things like this.

I know some people love April fool’s day, but scaring people about Bird Flu and Nile virus is really sinking to new levels of unscrupulous marketing.

This was posted by Talon (AKA Amylee Swartz) on April 1st, so it may be a joke. However since it was posted, Ms. Swartz is under obligation to follow the law. (Note the numerous spelling and grammatical errors)

*************begin post**************************

From: AmyLee & Her Native Roots
Date: Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 10:22 PM
Subject: Knock Knock

Knock Knock....
Who's there?
Birdfl.
Birdfl-who?
Bird Flu - may or may not be a hoax, a threat, a pandemic ready to explode. Regardless, if you read my chapter in the book, "101 Great Ways to Improve Your Health" you know I discourage fear-mongering and advocate preparedness. Why? Becoming prepared for the foreseeable worst-case scenario means you are assuredly prepared for everything else!
And just 'what else' is there? I won't list the real, documented, alarming host of mutated viral and bacteria(sic) strains that are running rampant around the globe. Just pick up any newspaper, any day, anywhere!
"30,000 school children quarantined in China due to outbreak - 14 dead - so far!"
"Staph infection deaths quadruple in US hospitals"
"Anti-biotic resistent(sic) strain on rampage!"
"Flu virus mutates to dodge latest flu shots"
"Basketball Star stricken with elusive virus - contagions in the locker room!"
Dear Ones, whether or not Bird Flu is real, the Center for Disease Control continues to offer mega million dollar grants to those who can create a way to contain it, to protect the masses from high-speed pandemic spread, and to educate grass roots level agencies on local preparedness.
The Good News? Getting your immune system built up, cleaning out your colon, liver, kidneys, bladder, lungs now, and keeping Anti-Plague and Immune Boost and Echinacea Blend and True Food on hand, are truly simple insurance - protecting you not only from the Big Bugs, but the already established mutating ones which are popping up everywhere from grocery stores to daycare to the office and public transportation, from restaurants to newstands(sic) to hotels and hospitals...and often your own Home Sweet Home!
I refuse to live a life in fear - especially when the options are so easy-at-hand! While I am chugging some Anti-Plague today (I just transported another injured Hawk, and there were mosquitos(sic) already in the air! West Nile Virus IS real! I've buried many, many animal victims!) I also want to once again encourage YOU to take stock - of your own immune system, colon, kidneys, liver, lungs, and your stock of emergency supplies.
To support you, I am offering a 10% Discount on ALL Her Native Roots Products ordered this month of April. Order now - relax sooner!
I got carried away, while thinking about you, and I made the 'coupon discount code' a little long - sorry. You will have to type in:
No One's Fool! - complete with the exclamation point! That's how I feel about you - You take care of yourself. You matter to this world. You deserve the best herbs for your best health and healing. You're No One's Fool!
Knock Knock...Who's there?
Herbs...
Herbs who?
Technically, it's 'Herbs that, not Herbs who, keep you safe and strong, because you're No One's Fool!
- Happy, Healthy April!
AmyLee & Her Native Roots

Note the Orwellian “this is not fear-mongering” tactic. If this isn’t exploiting the fears of gullible consumers, I just don’t know what is. This type of quackery is dangerous. Herbs used in the wrong way can kill people
It’s very disturbing that part of Ms. Swartz’s advertising technique is to claim that her herbal potions are “stronger” than others. She also claims that every herb is harvested in an Indigenous way that doesn’t disturb the ecology of the land. Since “Indigenous way” usually means harvesting herbs that grow wild, naturally, I doubt that she would be able to do this naturally while living in (What happens in Las Vegas stays in Las Vegas) Nevada. Her site is international and has the little shopping carts on it indicating that this is definitely a FOR-PROFIT enterprise, not an Indigenous elder tending to her community.

Fortunately, a new law forces spammers like Amylee to reveal their real addresses.
Here’s her address:

TALON Inc., 3225 S McLeod Suite 100

LV, NV 89121

Tel

88

ASK-ESSA

Forward to LV attorney general’s office

Please help me fight consumer fraud like this by notifying the Nevada Dept. of Justice. You can file a complaint on behalf of potential Nevada consumers who will be bilked of their hard earned dollars.

Rose

Apr 10th, 2008 - 8:49 AM

Re: Amylee's Bird Flu Scam - Your Action Necessary

Here's the rest of my post:

Please help me fight consumer fraud like this by notifying the Nevada Dept. of Justice. You can file a complaint on behalf of potential Nevada consumers who will be bilked of their hard earned dollars.
There should be enough information in this thread to get the Attny Gen’s attention about this one. Please be professional, polite and very specific about her claims and how you think she may be exploiting the public.

Their website is here:
http://ag.state.nv.us/org/bcp/bcp.htm

Office of the Attorney General Nevada Department of Justice
Bureau of Consumer Protection
555 East Washington Avenue, Suite 3900
Las Vegas, Nevada 89101
Office of the Attorney General Nevada Department of Justice
Bureau of Consumer Protection
100 North Carson Street
Carson City, Nevada 89701
Southern Nevada Fax: (702) 486-3283
Northern Nevada Fax: (775) 684-1170
Email: bcpinfo@ag.state.nv.us

You can also contact the Nevada better business bureau.
http://www.vegasbbb.org/complaints.asp

If people could e-mail her and ask for her credentials for being an “Iroquois Medicine woman” and post those emails or send them to me, that would be helpful also.

Thanks for hosting this board. It's great to finally find some REAL NDNS in cyber-space!!!!!

Roae

Grace

Apr 10th, 2008 - 10:03 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

WARNING:

The person posting as "Ojibwejustice" is an imposter. This unscrupulous individual has posted the email address that I used when I collected emails for the Red Road Collective mailing list as her own. While I was at school, I let the account lapse and now I can’t get into it. The person posting is clearly trying to impersonate a collective member in order to trick people into believing that Amylee Swartz's many shady enterprises are legitimate and sanctioned by authentic Indigenous communities. I believe this individual is AMYLEE SWARTZ herself, trying to continue her thirty year impersonation of an "Iroquois medicine woman."

Decades ago, the collective contacted tribal authorities and found no evidence that Ms. Swartz has any legitimate ties to any Mohawk/Seneca community in the United States or Canada. They DO NOT know her and there is NO Mohawk/Seneca community that considers her to be a "Medicine woman". We encourage everyone who views this forum to conduct their own independent research and contact the Mohawk/Seneca tribal leaders yourself. There’s a contact link on the home page of this site.

Red Road Collective does not now approve of and has NEVER approved of or condoned Ms. Swartz’s activities. We disapproved of her selling Wolf Clan memberships at the Michigan Women’s Music Festival in the 1990s. We disapproved of her selling Shamanic apprenticeships after that, and we STRONGLY disapprove of her selling herbs over the internet in and claiming that they were "ceremonially prepared". We DO NOT support or endorse in any way the sale of her herbal products over the internet or her use of scare tactics to motivate unsuspecting consumers to purchase her products. We can find NO EVIDENCE that she has any Native ancestry or any substantial knowledge of any Indigenous culture. In addition many of our collective members have personally witnessed her making extremely disparaging remarks about the legitimate Mohawk/Seneca elders -- calling them ignorant, selfish and greedy for not "sharing their ceremonies" with non-Indians. Her arrogant, exploitive behavior has never been consistent with the behavior of a respected member of an Indigenous community. Over the years, collective members have personally caught Ms. Swartz in so many lies that it would be impossible to list them all here. Ms. Swartz has proven herself to be a consummate con-artist who will go to any length to continue to swindle non-Indian people out of their money. People dealing with her should be advised that she has become highly skilled at impersonating those who expose frauds such as herself. Nothing she says should ever be taken as representative of any Indigenous cultural or spiritual belief. Her sole aim is and always has been to make money by impersonating a Native American. Her deceptive activities in this forum have been reported to her ISP and to the authorities in her geographic area.

Grace,

Mailing list coordinator for Red Road Collective

Webmistress

Apr 20th, 2008 - 4:49 PM

Re: AMYLEE is to STOP POSTING TO THIS FORUM

Ms. Swartz.

You are to stop trying to post to this forum.

I am not accustomed to repeating myself.

You are banned for your unscrupulous behavior. You should have expected this since you have been banned from so many other Native forums. If you do not stop creating sock puppets, I will report your behavior to the authorities.

Twyla

Apr 24th, 2008 - 12:40 AM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

To everyone,

I’m sincerely sorry and I apologize for any hurt feelings. I had no intention of deceiving or offending anyone.

My legal first name is, in fact, Twyla. I chose my second name years ago based on my skin color. I’m known for it in the community I live and work in. Several other women in my circle go by similar chosen names. I find no meaning in using my father’s father’s name. I had no idea that this name belonged to a respected Ojibwe woman.

I am confused about this thread. First of all, what is a sock puppet? I don’t follow what’s going on here at all. Is it insensitive to ask who here is Indian and who isn't?

For Ojibwejustice: I’m very puzzled about your behavior. You criticize me for accidentally choosing the name of a respected Ojibwe, but you are being charged with deliberately deceiving people into believing that you are a respected Ojibwe. Isn’t that hypocritical of you? I don’t understand why you need to attack and examine me, when I’m merely looking for information. What proof do you have that AmyLee is genuine? What is her last name? Where does she come from? Are you AmyLee as has been alleged? It's very suspicious to me that you/she is not forthcoming with this information.

Whether you are AmyLee herself or if you are one of her misguided supporters, you appear to be a toxic person with serious issues. Also, why would you say you’re Ojibwe if you’re not? Why hide behind another person's email address. Your choice in using another person’s email address was clearly deliberate, but I chose the name that you reacted to by mistake. I had no intent to decieve anyone. What makes you jump all over me like that? I never claimed to be Indian. I was very upfront about saying I’m European. Your behavior doesn’t seem justified. What’s behind all your toxicity?

To Rose and Grace,

I’ve been looking at the websites you posted and there certainly doesn’t seem to be any support among Native Americans for the claim that AmyLee is genuine. However, they mostly dismiss her without explaining why she appears so fake to them. I need some help understanding this. Could I possibly have the names, addresses or emails of respected Iroquois leaders so that I could contact them myself? What lies did Amylee tell? How did you determine she was lying?

I haven’t completely made up my mind on this issue, so I did a little research and I found numerous references to AmyLee as an Aboriginal Medicine woman on the internet by the National Women’s studies association and there’s mention that she taught a course in Feminist Spirituality at Kent State University for years.

I'm a little frustrated that no one has answered my first question, why would the organizers of the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival keep giving her space for her workshops if there was any doubt about her authenticity? Why would Kent State permit her to teach a course if there was any doubt about her being genuine? And how do you rectify this with the allegations that have been made?

I don’t mean to seem difficult or confrontational, but I am still very confused about what to think.
I’m just looking for the truth here and trying to get many points of view.

Thanks,

Twyla

Webmistress

Apr 24th, 2008 - 9:52 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Twyla,

I never thought that you were trying to decieve anyone. You seem like an intelligent, sincere woman and you are welcome to post here.

I understand that you have no knowledge of indigenous culure and have know way of knowing who is trying to decieve you. That is why you must develop critical thinking skills when it comes to people purporting to have knowledge about us.

I will try my best to answer your questions, but I think that it is more important that you learn how to find answers yourself and that you learn how to ask the right questions to arrive at the truth. This is a skill that will help you in every aspect of your life.

Twyla,

First, a definition:

A sock puppet is a false identity – much like “Medicine Woman of the Iroquois.”

The term "sock puppet" grew out of a phenomenon known as the "Curley
Wars" on sci.skeptic. A crank (psychic Earl Curley) used to refer to his large legal staff and attempted to intimidate skeptics who ridiculed him into silence by saying that that they better watch out of his “lawyers” would sue him. Some of the skeptics began to express the opinion that Earl’s legal staff et. al. were really sock puppets with which Earl had his conversations. Eventually, Earl was caught creating a fictitious poster named Mary Jo Willy who perpetually saw things Earl's way, and thought the rest of the group should quit contradicting him. (Ojibwejustice) Earl even had conversations with his creation, reinforcing the image of someone who would talk to their sock. (i.e. a kook, crackpot …) Since then, the term has been used to refer to the numerous kooks and crackpots who resort to threatening SLAPP suits and screaming libel whenever they lose an argument or fear that their B.S. has been exposed for what it is, B.S. (NDN lawyer)

Frauds on the internet will create many, many sock puppets in order to make it appear that they have more support for their untenable positions than they actually do. This is why so many non-NDNs are under the false impression that NDNs are divided on the issue of spiritual exploitation. (We’re not) Sock puppets are meant to confuse the real issue, discourage uncomfortable questions and generally prevent all meaningful debate on an issue.

Tending to be mentally unbalanced and having delusions of grandeur, these fakes typically pose as authority figures such as attorneys or even FBI agents. (i.e., NDN Lawyer)
Their intent is purely to protect the fraud and to intimidate all critics into silence by directly or indirectly threatening legal action against anyone who would dare speak out against them. A lot of sock puppets make up non-existent Native traditions against questioning anyone’s spiritual beliefs, criticizing deceased frauds or create trite woo woo sound bytes such as “let the spirits take care of it.”

So, Twyla, whenever you are in a group discussing Native American frauds and a new identity suddenly pops up and starts throwing blind aggressive support behind someone exploiting Native American spirituality for profit, you should always exercise extreme cynicism. You are most likely encountering a “sock puppet identy” trying to post her abusive messages in a forum from which she’s been banned.

I shouldn’t have to tell you that this is NOT the behavior of a respected Native American spiritual elder. This is the behavior of a desperate fraud who lives in constant fear of exposure.

Webmistress

Apr 24th, 2008 - 10:15 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Twyla,

In answer to your question, "Why would the organizers of the Michigan Womyn’s Music Festival keep giving her space for her workshops if there was any doubt about her authenticity? Why would Kent State permit her to teach a course if there was any doubt about her being genuine?" I have no idea why anyone would be foolish enough to think that Amylee Swartz is an "Iroquois Medicine woman". I can't know what was in their minds, it defies all logic.

Anyone with even the slightest knowledge of the Haudenosaunee people or who bothered to conduct even the most cursory investigation could certainly find that she is, in the words of Chief Paul Spicer, "an OBVIOUS charlatan." Regarding the MWMF, I can see two possibilites, they didn't check her out because 1.) they didn't want to know the truth about her or 2.) they didn't care whether she was telling the truth as long as she put on a good show. Regarding KSU, Ward Churchill and many other imposters have taught Native American courses for years. Native people usually have little or no control over who is hired to teach these courses. Eventually, I believe, all imposters will be discovered. Ms. Swartz may very well be the next Ward Churchill.

Perhaps the best way to answer your questions is to contact the people you mentioned and ask them what evidence they have that Ms. Swartz has any relationship to the Haudenosaunee and why they never bothered to confirm her credentials. After, extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence. Ms. Swartz’s claims are certainly extraordinary, so I would expect some pretty extraordinary evidence to have preceded any job offer or invitation to speak the events mentioned.

If you google "Mohawk" and "Seneca" you can find several contact names and numbers. -- Always look for legitimate websites with full legal names and contact numbers.

Don’t expect to get an answer right away, the Haudenosaunee, like most tribes, are deluged with wannabees trying to get a card that says they’re a real NDN so a response could take a while.

You can also check this reference:
http://www.doi.gov/bia/leaders.pdf

Since Ms. Swartz has a reputation of refusing to be forthcoming about her alleged tribal affiliation and entitlement to call herself a medicine woman, you may have to contact them all.

If you’re up for an exercise in total futility, you can contact Ms. Swartz directly.

Her emails are:

talon@tusco.net

Answers@HerNativeRoots.com

and of course hottwheels9@hotmail.com
AKA Earth Matters AKA R. Rainsinger AKA Ojibwejustice AKA NDN Lawyer ad infinitum .......

I guarantee you that this will be a pointless and frustrating activity. She will not give you her real legal name. She will not give you the name of the reservation where she allegedly grew up. She will not provide you with a tribal enrollment number, the name of the clan she claims to be a member of or names and contact information of tribal leaders who can verify her claims that she is in fact a medicine woman. She will not tell you who her parents are. Above all, she will not give you the name of her alleged "Iroquois great-great grandmother." That is because this person is a figment of her imagination.

She will play games with you, give you the run-around, evade every direct question and behave in an extremely paranoid manner. When asked who she is, she will ask you who you are. If you question her outlandish claims in any way, she will inevitably imply that you aren’t "Indian" so you can't understand her evasiveness or that you’ve violated some fictitious tradition she made up. She will make up any number of ridiculous excuses for not providing proof that she’s NDN. Why don’t you post them here, we could all use a good belly laugh.

In the end, perhaps Ms. Swartz’s reaction to your questions will tell you all you want to know.

Happy hunting.

NOTE: Ojibwejustice and NDN Lawyer are posting under the same IP address that Amylee uses to respond to inquiries, so you’ve probably already had contact with the great medicine woman.

Grace

Apr 27th, 2008 - 5:58 PM

Re: Information on How to Contact Haudenosaunee Tribal Leaders

Twyla,

You are perfectly capable of doing a google search for “Mohawk Nation” and “Seneca Nation” and doing the research yourself. Non-Indians need to realize that Native people are busy preserving their language and defending their treaty rights and do not have time to be your reference librarians.

However, this fraud has been particularly nasty to the elders so I am willing to put a bit more effort into helping you – especially since you seem like a nice woman.

If you are genuinely determined to find the truth, then more power to you. If there is nothing that anyone could ever say to convince you that Amylee is a fraud, then please just admit it to yourself and to us and stop wasting our time. I’m not trying to be rude, I just know better than to waste any effort trying to reason with someone whose mind is already made up. People support and defend nuage frauds with religious fervor. Most of them really don’t want to know the truth.

HAUDENOSAUNEE CONTACT INFO

To save time, I would start on the National level.
It would be easy if Amylee would tell anyone what band, clan and Nation she claims to come from, but like the webmisstress says, that ain’t gonna happen.

Right now, Canada is issuing brand new counterfeit-proof ids so if she is Canadian Mohawk, (as she claims this year) they would have her name on the rolls. There’s a huge project to collect all this information. If she is Canadian, now like her sock puppets claim, there would be no excuse for her name not being on the rolls. And that goes double for a “respected Medicine woman of the Iroquois”. All her old claims to this title are cached on google, you might want to send them along to the Canadian authorities.

Canada- Indian and Northern Affairs
http://www.ainc-inac.gc.ca/on/seci_e.html

US – Bureau of Indian Affairs
http://www.doi.gov/bureau-indian-affairs.html

Since she claims her mother was Mohawk and her father was Seneca, I’d start researching the mother – Evelyn Mae (Johnson) Swartz a social worker born in Akron, Ohio and died 3/24/99 in Portage county Ohio. (google it) Since she’s deceased you could just write for a copy of her birth certificate. Her grandmother (Mother’s side) was Bertha Mae (Hunt) Johnson and her grandmother was Charles E. Johnson – again both deceased so their birth certificates are available. Give this info to the enrollment offices, it will make it faster and easier for them to exclude her as a member.

MOHAWK TRIBES

Akwesasne/St. Regis (Canada -Quebec, Ontario)
Mohawk Council of Akwesasne – Canadian Address
POB 579
Cornwall, ON
K6H 5T3
US ADDRESS
P: (613) 575-2250
F: (613) 575-2181

Mohawk Council of Akwesasne – (United States – New York State)
PO Box 489
Hogansburg, NY
13655
website: http://www.akwesasne.ca
Administrative (613)575-2250
Front desk (613)575-2341
Fax: (613) 575-2181

Ganienkeh Territory (New York State)
Mohawk Nation Office
Ganienkeh Territory
via Altona, N.Y. 12910
Phone: 518-236-7100
Fax: 518-236-7101
email: info@ganienkeh.net
Website: http://www.ganienkeh.net

Kanatsiohareke (New York State)
4934 State Highway Rt 5
Fonda, NY 12068
Main Office: (518) 673-5356
Fax: (518) 673-5575
Website: http://www.mohawkcommunity.com

Kanesatake (Quebec) (OKA)
Website: http://www.kanesatake.com/eng/index.php

Kahnawake (Quebec)
The Mohawk Nation at Kahnawake can be contacted through its secretariat; the Mohawk Nation Office (Kahnawake Branch).
PO Box 1740 Kahnawà:ke
Mohawk Nation Territory
Kahnawakwe, Quebec Canada
J0L 1B0
Tel: 450.632.7639
Fax: 450.632.7769
or
Mohawks of Kahnnawake - Iroquois Caucus Member
P. O. Box 720
Kahnawake, Quebec Canada
J0L 1B0
P: (450) 632-7500
F: (450) 638-5958
Website: http://www.kahnawake.com
Membership 450-638-0500
Phone: (450) 632-7500
Fax: (450) 638-5958
Info-Line: (450) 632-9595
Email: communications@mck.ca

Mohawk Nation Council of Chiefs
Website: http://www.mohawknation.org/

Mohawks of the Bay of Quinte - Iroquois Caucus Member
R.R. #1, Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory,
Ontario K0K 1X0
Phone # 613 396-3424
Fax # 613-396-3627
Website: http://www.mbq-tmt.org
email-info@mbq-tmt.org

Ohsweken/Six nations/Grand River (Ontario) home to Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Cayuga, Seneca, and Tuscarora
Website: http://www.sixnations.ca

Sahanatien Community
(No contact info)

Saint Regis Mohawk (Upstate New York)
St. Regis Mohawk Tribe
Akwesasne Comm. Bldg., Rte 37
Hogansburg, NY 13655
P: 518/358-2272
F: 518/358-3203
(NY Liaison Office)
Norman Tarbell, Chief

Six Nations
Elected Band Council
1695 Chiefswood Rd
Brantford, ON
Canada
Reservation Website: http://www.sixnations.ca/Default.htm
email: cavan@sixnations.ca
Six Nations Grand River Reserve
Address: PO Box 5000
Ohsweken Brantford, Ontario N0A 1M0
Canada
Tel: 519-445-2201
Fax: 519-445-4208
Business Hours:
8:30 am - 4:30

Grace

Apr 27th, 2008 - 6:02 PM

Re: Haudenosaunee Contact Info - Continued

Six Nations
Elected Band Council
1695 Chiefswood Rd
Brantford, ON
Canada
Reservation Website: http://www.sixnations.ca/Default.htm
email: cavan@sixnations.ca
Six Nations Grand River Reserve
Address: PO Box 5000
Ohsweken Brantford, Ontario N0A 1M0
Canada
Tel: 519-445-2201
Fax: 519-445-4208
Business Hours:
8:30 am - 4:30 pm
Website: http://www.sixnations.ca

Tyendinaga (Ontario)
Council phone number (613) 396-3424, ext. 106.
Website: http://www.mbq-tmt.org
Mohawks of The Bay of Quinte
R.R. #1, Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory,
Ontario K0K 1X0
Phone: (613) 396-3424
Fax: (613) 396-3627
email-info@mbq-tmt.org
MEMBERSHIP INFO:
Phyllis Green
613-396-3424 ext. 115
Molly Kohoko
(613) 396-3424 ext. 123
mollyk@mbq-tmt.org

Wahta/Gibson (Ontario)
Wahta Mohawks Iroquois Caucus Member
2664 Muskoka Rd. 38 Bala,
Ontario, Canada.
Mailing address:
Wahta Mohawk Territory
Box 260
Bala, Ontario P0C 1A0
Phone: (705) 762-2354
Fax: (705) 762-2376 Chief & Council e-mail contacts:
Blaine Commandant – Chief chief@wahta.ca
E-Mail all general inquiries to:
info@wahta.ca
Citizenship / AHWS - Catherine Commandant ccahws@wahta.ca
Website: http://www.wahta.ca

Mohawk Council of Kanesatake - Iroquois Caucus Member
681, rang Saint-Philomene
Kanesatake, Quebec Canada J0N 1E0
P: (450) 479-8373
F: (450) 479-8249
Website: http://www.kanesatake.com/eng

Email: kanatiiosh@justice.com

SENECA
Seneca Nation of Indians
Website: http://www.sni.org/contacts.html
Enrollment questions: enrollment@sni.org

Seneca-Cayuga Tribe – Miami Office
P. O. Box 1283
Miami, Oklahoma
74355
Phone: (918) 542-6609
Fax: (918) 542-3684
1-888-313-6609 (Toll Free)
Contact Chief Paul Spicer
pspicer@sctribe.com

Seneca-Cayuga Tribe Grove Office
23701 South 655 Road
Grove, Oklahoma 74344
918-787-5452
918-787-5521 (Fax)
1-866-787-5452 (Toll Free)
Webbased email: http://www.sctribe.com/contact.html

Tonawanda Band of Seneca's
Tonawanda Seneca Nation, Genesee County, NY
(NY Liaison Office)
7027 Meadville Rd.
Basom, New York 14013
Phone: (716) 542-4244
Fax: (716) 542-9692
Bernie Parker, Chief
Historical Website/not official:
http://www2.pcom.net/cinjod/historian/Indians.html

Seneca Nation of Indians
P.O. Box 231
Salamanca, New York 14479
Phone: (716) 945-1790
Fax: (716) 945-9132
Dennis Bowen, Sr., President

Allegeny Reservation
G.R. Plummer Building
PO Box 231
Salamanca, NY 14779
Phone: (716) 945-1790
Phone:(716) 945-0140

Cattaraugus Reservation
William Seneca Building
12837 Route 438
Irving, NY 14081
Phone: (716) 532-4900
(716) 532-4907
(716) 532-9132
Oil Springs: same contacts (NY Liaison Office)

General Info email: info@sni.org
Website: http://www.sni.org/contacts.html

THE SENECA NATION
Website: http://www.senecanation.com/

IROQUOIS (Haudenosaunee)

Michaels Band (Iroquois)
Alberta, Canada
Contact Information Not Available

Good luck.
Please be honest and post what you find and share it with the neopagan/feminist community. They’ve been negligent in simply taking Ms. Swartz’s word.

Grace

P.S. We're working on a list of the lies that Amylee Swartz has told over the last 30 years - it might take some time.

Renita

May 20th, 2008 - 7:40 PM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Greetings To All,
I would like to point out after reading this conversation that Twyla is very probably the straw man 'foil' for the other person posting who is suspected of being Amylee. From what she says about herself she is too 'coincidentally' the perfect example of the "twinkies" that are mentioned in redroad. thats too good to be true in my opinion, in this way she easily fits into your preconceptions and escaped notice. Is she still posting to other areas of your group? One can see from the phrasing of her questions and the immediate response by the 'Amylee' person that these two are in cahoots, as well as reviewing the final message from 'Twyla" in which she reiterates the same sentiments as in her original letter, ie; isnt Amylee legit because she returns to the same forums year after year, and how do I know she's lying just because you say so. Obviously her intention is to raise doubts in peoples minds about the allegations you are making in regard to Amylee. If you think about it you might agree that the entire conversation was a set up. Im suprised that these people you expose as frauds are not attacking you with denial of service and other computer virus type attacks, and would recommend you be very careful in that regard. Blessings, Renita

Webmistress

May 27th, 2008 - 11:32 AM

Re: Information about Amylee please!

Renita,

First of all, you need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills. It should be evident to anyone with an I.Q. higher than room temperature that Ms. Swartz is NOT a “Medicine woman of the Iroquois” and that she has been falsely misrepresenting herself as such for years.

1.) You have been given the contact information for the Mohawk/Seneca tribes and are ENCOURAGED to do the research for yourself. If you had bothered to contact the LEGITIMATE, HEREDITARY spiritual leaders of the Seneca and Mohawk tribes of the United States and Canada, you would easily discover that they do not recognize Ms. Swartz as a representative of their spiritual practices and are on the whole deeply offended by her activities and her misrepresentation of their spiritual beliefs and practices.

2.) After being confronted on her false allegations, Ms. Swartz has removed all references to herself as a “Medicine woman” from her websites. This can only be taken as an admission of guilt. Her fraudulent claims are still cached on the internet and can easily be found by anyone with basic internet search skills.

3.) Ms. Swartz has the burden of proof. In order to legally sell any “Native American” product, she must prove that she is an enrolled member of a federally recognized tribe. You have been given her email addresses and they are easy to find with a google search and you can contact her yourself and find out why she is not forthcoming with information about her tribal affiliation and her entitlement to proclaim herself a “medicine woman of the Iroquois.” She has repeatedly refused to provide tribal enrollment information to anyone who requests it. This is highly suspicious.

4.) Twyla is legitimate. She has contacted me privately and as the webmistress I can see the IP of anyone posting to this forum. NDN lawyer and the person posting from the email address hottwheels9@hotmail.com are sock puppets. They are well known to other Native activists and have been trolling and creating sock puppets on many other Native boards.

5.) It is typical of frauds to try to silence people who want to expose their deceit by threatening SLAP and/or DNS attacks suits. Should this site be the recipient of a denial of service or other “computer virus type attack” your information will be forwarded to the proper authorities.

6.) Because you have violated the posting guidelines by failing to post any intelligent content, you are being banned from this forum. Do not attempt to post from another IP.

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